Cross Continuity etiquette and plot bunnies

[bjornwilde]

So a thought occurred to me that I feel is worth bringing up and that is how we as muns want our pups exposed to other Marvel continuities. I know Ben already stepped in this big time with the MCU's Steve Rogers but we are hand waving he never mentioned his Captain America.

With at least two movie universes (MCU - Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America and Avengers, not to mention the other movies coming in the next few years + Fox MCU - Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Ghost Rider, Punisher and Daredevil/Electra (which all seem to be in their own continuity, though X-Men and Fantastic Four might be in the same as a folder with Franklin Richards was seen on Stryker's desk in X-Men2), all the comics and the animated shows, the risk of cross over is pretty high. This can be really disconcerting for those canons with little exposure to other worlds (like the different movie-verses, aren't they so cute?).

So how about we tag in with what level of "Hey, I know you! We're old buddies...no wait, you aren't the gal I know are you? Opps, my bad" you are comfortable with.

Also, mostly for the comic pups, but I won't say no to other canons, Ben Grimm will be spending some time human next month. If anyone would like to show him a good time in Bar or in OOM land, I'm all for it.

Additionally, I'm planning some covert fun with Jessica Drew and preliminary details are here.

Comments

[bjornwilde]

All of my comic pups are fine with meeting and knowing about other continuity versions of themselves, in fact Ben has met several.

Movie-verse Hank would be okay with it, but I would like mention of his furry state to wait until he reaches it himself. I don't want him getting any hint it is a possibility at this point. Aside from that, go for it. He's read the current multi-worlds theory.

[jjprobert]

I don't believe Erik Selvig exists in any other Marvel Universes, so I don't really have this issue. :D

I will be keeping an eye on this, though.

[spit_it_out]

Now Bruce has acclimatised to the bar a bit, I'm OK with him knowing about other versions of himself. It's already happened in fact, with Molly Hayes telling him about the Bruce Banner on her world. I figure that he's a scientist, he's au fait with the notion of parallel universes, and whatnot.

I'd rather people didn't recognise him on sight, though. I'm assuming that the comic book versions of Bruce Banner look different, and I'm aware that the Hulk certainly does (even comes in different colours!) So no wandering up and saying 'hey, Bruce,' like they already know him. But if they recognise the name, and know about his alter ego, I'm alright with that.

[bjornwilde]

Apropos of nothing, but I thought you might enjoy the page where Jess successfully influences Hulk.

[spit_it_out]

*staring*

...ahaha. Comics never fail to make me gape with their Weird. But, yes! It's good to know she can do it, and it may come in useful in situations in the future. Thank you!

[nocarename]

Janet van Dyne knows that there are alternate worlds, even ones with Avengers.

Status on interworld info: recognizing her is cool, expect her to be a flying bundle of spoilers for her continuity (A:EMH) which is why I'm occasionally shy about tagging her out to the MCU pups.

[bjornwilde]

And in case you are not being kept current with comic canon, the Janet of 616 is no longer dead or missing in action!

[ceitfianna]

As there are several versions of just X-Men canon in Bar, movieverse plus characters at different points in comics continuity, Charles is fine with someone going oh wait, you're that mutant professor. He's had this happen from people who know him through pop culture as well, another version of his world just makes him curious and interested.

In another post, it was discussed that the Avengers' verse and the X-Men movieverse aren't the same to keep confusion down. Charles is primarily movieverse as I don't know the comics continuities as well and don't feel comfortable delving into them.

Basically if there's a Charles in your pups' version of Marvel, feel free to know his name, but since he's young, recognition wouldn't make as much sense. Though if you can think of a way for it to make sense, let me know and we'll see if we can figure something out. As I love all the different parts of the Marvelverse and how they intersect and don't.

[bjornwilde]

Yes the movies are from different universes.
We have the Marvel CU and the various phases, i.e. Iron Man, Avengers, etc.
We have the X-Men movies which with XMFC2 coming we know are all tied together despite continuity errors.
We have the Fantastic Four.
We have Spider-Man
And then all the other Fox and Sony pictures, Ghost Rider, Punisher, etc.

Maybe it's better we don't try and mix and match, pshew.

[ceitfianna]

I don't, X-Men characters from the comics will know who Charles is while acknowledging that they're from different continuities. Sort the different universe over idea which I'm pretty comfortable with due to dealing with it for Will.

The place I do mix things up is in fic, because that doesn't require coordination with other pups.

[bjornwilde]

Definitely! I know in my first head canon I had Hank's father telling him stories about Captain America in WW2 and that is what inspired Hank to join the CIA. =}

[ceitfianna]

Oh yes, I have a fic plot bunny of Charles going to the Starkexpo but none of that will ever come into play in Bar.

[mjolnir_retriever]

Oh, good call!

Thor will be confused for a while by "Hey, I know you! Well, an AU you!", but not distressed by it. People are welcome to recognize him! Honestly, unless it's explicitly "Hey, I know you personally and work with you in the Avengers," he'll probably assume that he's being recognized as Thor the god of thunder by someone more learned in Norse legends than most modern Midgardians seem to be. He was way, way more confused and upset by meeting SPN!Loki than he would be by any AU Marvelverse folk.

If you expect the subject of his brother Loki to come up in a way that's potentially spoilery for him for what goes down in the movieverse in his future, maybe talk to me. If they're discussing what's clearly an AU fate for his brother, that's fine, although it'll probably make him broody/angry/sad.

[varadia]

I am good with recognition for X-23, by whoever and however. She is used to ideas of AUs, and the fact that she probably exists in some form in more than one reality.

It's all cool.

She's also good at recognizing people and keeping her mouth shut about it, if that makes things easier, too.

I like easy. Also painless.

[silveraspen]

Insofar as Bucky goes, he's already been exposed to the idea of different Marvel universes through discussions with Noriko and X-23 (who in-bar he has learned exist in each others' worlds but whose worlds are not the same). It took him a while to get his head around the idea, but he rolled with it pretty well.

Regarding his OWN canon: ha. Ha, ha ha. The way this is working right now is that he's aware of the Captain America comics shown in the movie (Steve told him about them), and we've basically stamped the Golden/Silver era Marvel comics as the print run that we see starting in Captain America, movie version. The 4 (I think) people who have recognized HIM from them in-bar -- he's only aware that ONE of them did, and he thinks it's from "Steve's comics." So that's basically how he'd think of anyone else recognizing him - er, how Bucky would; the Winter Soldier is something else again, and would play it off as "I don't know who this Bucky guy is, but they say everyone's got a twin somewhere, right?" And then do whatever he could to avoid breaking cover. In short, recognition is fine - the above is how the character will react to it.

Which, on that note - given that I'm not planning to wait until 4 April 2014 to play him again, I am intending to draw directly from Bucky's comics canon to inform in-bar development, but am also hoping to do so in a vague enough way that I can incorporate it seamlessly with whatever the next film gives us. (Since Brubaker's involved, I am hopeful of being able to accomplish that!)

So ... yeah. That's my considerably-more-than-two-cents' worth.

[the_man]

It's unlikely anyone from 616 would recognize movie Fury, being as they are not the same guy.

He has already been exposed to the idea that there is another Fury who visited Milliways as well. Alternate universes are not his problem.

He probably would grill anyone who claimed to know about him, SHIELD, or the Avengers, though. Just in case they know something interesting.

[bjornwilde]

Actually, there is now Fury Jr. who bears a strong resemblance to the movie Fury. Mostly featured in Secret Avengers at this point, he is supposed to replace 616's Fury and is his son. There is also a 616 Coulson now as well who is his right hand man.

I haven't read much about him, so I don't know much beyond this. I do know he's not officially in charge of SHIELD, at least publicly. That's Maria Hill.

[the_man]

I do know about him. Still not the same guy though, as movie Fury does not have a dad named Nick Fury!

[bjornwilde]

Very true and sorry if I gave that impression. =]

Folks who have meet Fury Jr. might still mistake your Fury for him at a casual glance unless you are saying you want them to look very different?

[the_man]

Hadn't given it much thought, really...we'll see if it comes up.

I figure Ultimate Fury and movie Fury would look alike, since they were meant to.

[thekidfrombrooklyn]

Steve is aware that he's a pop culture figure in his own universe and he's fine with that, and whenever he's met someone from the future who recognized him he's just assumed they're from his future and know of him because of the comics and the films and so on.

He hasn't quite grasped the idea of alternative universes, and as we found in the thread with Ben he doesn't deal with them too well. That should change as time goes on, I expect, but for now I'd rather he didn't know there are other versions of him out there, and he wouldn't recognize anyone who isn't in the MCU.

[othereight]

I would say that it would probably be a good idea for people not to mention any other versions of Pepper Potts to this girl Friday - especially because the events of her movies haven't transpired for her yet and also because given what the mun knows as the future of her comics canon, it would be pretty traumatizing for her at this point in time.