MCU PSA and Status and...Roll-Call?

[redintheledger]

Hey gang!

Just to further clarify a comment I made in another post:

Tl and I have decided, after a few months of discussion, to make our Clint and Natasha AU from the MCU cast in M'ways. This is mostly just so we're free to do our thing post-Avengers should it come up without stepping on anyone else's toes. Of course, they aren't aware of it...yet.

(And Bucky | Alex and young Nataliya are a bit wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey-multiversey - details or M'ways!handwave pending)

But given this, and other pups coming in from different places, I thought it might be a good idea just to open up the post to where everyone else is in various timelines and worlds.

Sooo, guys, where your pups at?

Comments

[bjornwilde]

Not part of the MCU, but the XMFC-U, my Hank McCoyis still at Division X before the first successful Cerebro run with Charles. They've had tests but I don't think the actual recruiting has happened yet.

I am going to wait until next month to app Sam Wilson and plan to bring him in at the start of Cap2. Thus I will wait until our Steve (at the very least) gets to that point as them meeting within Milliways before meeting in DC breaks my brain. I am in no rush to play Sam, as I've lots of other loose threads to tie with my other pups, so no worries for me. =]

ETA: When I do bring Sam in, how do you feel about him sort of flirting with Nat? After the interview with Machie where he said each scene with Nat he thought Sam was flirting with Nat, it's sort of become head canon for my voice but Sam is professional enough to tone it down or not express it; i.e. if you don't want me to, I won't have him flirt with your Nat.

[redintheledger]

In-movie, Sam and Nat were totally flirting and checking each other out, and this brings me great joy *g* (I actually ship them in fic, too).

In-game, Nat doesn't mind if he flirts at all. Depending on how it goes, she might go 'hi, actually married' at him to keep it low-level, but nope, she doesn't mind.

[bjornwilde]

Golden! I always feel weird and awkward when pups push me to flirt so I like to make sure things are clear. = ]

Also, I kind of made a Black Widow/Spider-Woman fanmix and thought you might want to see it.

[ashen_key]

Fair enough! And I appreciate the asking, too :D

Ooooooooooooh, I'll totally check that out when I have brain again! (I broke mine today)

[protect_and_survey]

Just saw Captain America, will meander theres-a-way to flail in a mo. Anyway.

Jemma Simmons is currently pre-AoS, (and thus pre-Thor2 / pre-CA2), and... idk about worlds. From the same one as Fitz, presumably from the same as May, presumably from the same as Coulson? So much idk.

[ashen_key]

Alllllllll the flailing, MOVIE. WHAT. WHAT.

[splash_of_blue]

ashen_key and I have now seen that movie THREE TIMES, and we're only just approaching sporadic coherence about it.

COULSON IS SO ANNOYED RIGHT NOW, I CANNOT.

[thefirststark]

First off...Ashie, you must be aware of the glitch in CA:WS where we're told Natasha is only 30, and yet served in the KGB (defunct with the USSR). Clearly, she is much older than SHIELD's compromised database told even CRT Zola. Which plays right into your hands, yes?

Anyway, Howard remains in 1947, ostensibly helping run the SSR, but probably letting Peggy be the real boss while he's running Stark Industries. Our new Peggy and I need to hash this out. And I can finally see about writing that "Howard is forced to work with Zola" fic that inspired me to app Howard in the first place. The sad truth of Howard's death is so far in the future that I don't need to address it. But might someday.

It is a bit odd knowing that even while Howard and Peggy think things are good, HYDRA is slowly regrouping. It's sort of like being in a Star Wars prequel, where you know that the bad guys win despite all that you do. I wonder how much we will get to find out in canon, from either an Agent Carter series or Age of Ultron.

[ashen_key]

I am VERY aware of this, yep. There might have been many hours of shrieked indignation, because the fuck, movie, the fuck. I think there's enough tells in the movie itself that this is textually a lie, so it's all good. And if it wasn't, I'd be ignoring. 1984 is the year she gets out, I've decided.

And ahhhh, Bucky killing Howard later. That is going to hurt.

[howdoyoufeel]

Let's not forget that they could possibly go the way of the comics and Howard faked his death. He is clever enough to still do that IMO in the MCU. We could always millicanon that as our AU if you'd like.

[silveraspen]

Can I preemptively apologize for December 17, 1991? *weak smile*

(I think that was the date on the newspaper, anyway....)

[sdelmonte]

Unless in a fit of frustration I go AU in forty years.

Frankly, I am now starting to feel a bit depressed that Howard is helping to sow the seeds of something really bad. Whatever you might think of the real Operation Paperclip, the ex-Nazi scientists in the real world stayed ex-Nazis. And given that Zola was a coward and didn't kill himself, I didn't think of him as a true believer till now.

[silveraspen]

More than fair!

I never thought Zola was a True Believer per se, but I can see him sticking with whatever organization gave him the resources and funding and support to do his weapons development and his experiments. Whether that be Department X, HYDRA, or whoever; Zola's interests are his own.

I'm sorry, though; it must be more than frustrating to find out how good works were turned to darker purposes. If it's any consolation, I strongly suspect that it's the foundation that Howard and Peggy and Col. Phillips built that gives SHIELD the good to offset the bad, and creates the roots to build something stronger after the events of this film.

[sdelmonte]

I'm actually starting to develop some ideas about the SSR, HYDRA, Operation Paperclip, deNazification, and the Cold War. Will try to organize them at some point.

[silveraspen]

I shall greatly look forward to hearing them, especially as over here I'm trying to fit the pieces together with Dept. X, HYDRA, Operation Paperclip (in re: Zola in particular), and the Cold War! I have initial thoughts, but they're in the "sketched out, now check history" phase.

[howdoyoufeel]

For some reason I accidentally put this in reply to Ashie but will put this here too just in case:

Let's not forget that they could possibly go the way of the comics and Howard faked his death. He is clever enough to still do that IMO in the MCU. We could always millicanon that as our AU if you'd like.

[splash_of_blue]

Right, so.

Three things about Coulson:

1) He's just pre-Thor in his entrance posts, as I've been waiting to kill him off until canon lets us know how he survived, which (I'm told; I am hilariously behind on AoS) it has now done. So! He will now be slowly but steadily moving through canon, including the ass-hatty Norse god with inappropriately sharp spear. (Ow.)

2) HOWEVER, because I love his tiny Agents of SHIELD kids and general universe-mates with the power of approximately a hundred tantrumming Hulks, he is also scooting through time and space as I require it (and, frankly, as I find it funny). This is so that he can thread plot and various ridiculousness as needed. (Hi, Hill.) He's sticking fairly closely to canon, so this can apply.

3) To aid and allow for point 2, Coulson is from a 'verse where his Captain America has never found Milliways. As I say, he's going to be sticking fairly closely to canon (and Milliways is such a game-changer).

[the_man]

I've been operating under the idea that Fury is from the main MCU universe. I am fully spoiled for AoS the show, but am waiting to see what the heck they're going to do next before I bother trying to incorporate it into my personal timeline.

Fury is about to step up through Cap 1 canon and then shortly after into Avengers, now that we know what happens next.

So far it seems like Fury is sharing a universe with Clint, Natasha, Bucky, Hill, Thor, and Howard Stark. Maybe Peggy as well? (ETA: and Bruce Banner!) I'm not as sure about the AoS people and Cap, as they're coming in from a different time. This may all change!

Please do keep us informed as what y'all are up to. I for one very much enjoy the idea that some of us come from the same universe outside of Milliways.

[hisonegoodeye]

Also happy at this stage for Coulson to be considered part of that universe, although he's a little earlier in time right now.

[silveraspen]

Conveniently, my ex-US-Army-soldier-turned-Soviet-spy-and-assassin-with-HYDRA-influence-in-development is so confused about who he is and his own timeline, I have the flexibility to toss him wherever would be helpful and wherever people are interested in having the Winter Soldier show up.

(I figure between Marvel's own nature and Milliways-ness, there's plenty of room to move.)

He's from the "main" MCU universe, as Fury describes above, but with Earth-616 comics canon strongly influencing backstory and development. I think Steve's also part of this 'verse - at least Bucky considers him to be, and the Steve he knows/knew/may-again-know in Milliways is from the same world as he is.

(Just for the record, Ashie and I have talked about Bucky-Nat-Clint dynamics, given everything, and Clint/Natasha works well in "present" time, so no problems there!)

ETA: Ha ha, whoops, I forgot to explicitly state where he is in canon right now. The Winter Soldier is post-CA1, currently in 1955, and will be moving forward through time and various events over the next few months, headed for CA2.

[spit_it_out]

Bruce is currently post Incredible Hulk, and will very soon be in India for his lead-up to Avengers. He'll be around the bar at least a few times this coming month, for possible in-bar reasons; he's sticking with canon (and is so not surprised to find he was targeted as one of the threats to be taken in in Cap 2), and will hopefully be through Avengers by the end of the summer.

[silveraspen]

and is so not surprised to find he was targeted as one of the threats to be taken in in Cap 2

Not a surprise at all, and yet I call this some Extremely Poor Thinking on HYDRA!SHIELD's part, because seriously, have they not NOTICED what happens when someone shoots at Banner?

[spit_it_out]

SRSLY. I lost the following twenty seconds of the film after that, because I was so busy going, 'uh...what?' Because yes, lets just shoot Banner from the sky, and see how well that goes down, shall we? I didn't see them checking to see whether he was in a populated area or not - and ffs, it's been pretty well proved by now that bullets don't touch him. So, really, Hydra!Shield. Have a word with yourself.

[silveraspen]

About the only "logic" I can come up with (and I use the term very loosely) is that no one bothered to vet the algorithm, except perhaps Zola, who wouldn't have cared about any potential collateral damage.

For that matter, HYDRA!SHIELD probably didn't either.

[spit_it_out]

That was my first thought too - but then, it's stupid. Because...OK, well I suppose they could hardly hide the fact they were blatantly murdering these people, so probably wouldn't have been concerned about one being left alive as evidence. But making him Hulk out and destroy things would hardly be good PR, given that they'd probably have to say 'hey, we were taking out threats to National Security. Just like we do with terrorists!' in order to keep people OK with it. Doubly stupid because he was one of the people who helped stopped the aliens in NY, so people aren't going to buy that he's public enemy #1.

Nope, they're going to get an angry green monster running around, and if Bruce said 'hey, SHIELD tried to kill me and say I was a terrorist', quite a few people are going to ask questions. So. It's weird. And stupid. I could buy that no one bothered to vet the algorithm if they hadn't mentioned him by name - but there's no way all those SHIELD agents were clueless as to what happens to him when he gets shot. I think it was probably an excuse to name drop one of the other Avengers into the movie, but its still odd.

[gammagammahey]

I think it would be fun if Bruce met Jen. How much mutual brain breakage would happen is yet to be determined. :-) But Jen loves Bruce - any Bruce, except ones that are evil - fiercely.

[spit_it_out]

I'm definitely up for this! It will definitely break his brain - and for that reason, I'll request that it doesn't happen until after he's been through Avengers canon. Because then he might actually be 'hey, wow, this is actually cool' rather than be weirded out while he's still in his post-suicide-attempt fugue. :D?

[gammagammahey]

Let me know when he's through Avengers canon and the cousins can bond. I'm so excited - I've been waiting for a Bruce for the last five years in Milliways!

[mjolnir_retriever]

Thor is currently hanging out in the time between the end of Thor and the start of The Avengers, and thus stuck in Asgard except for a) Milliways, or b) serious emergencies big enough to justify the use of enough power to push him between worlds. He'll probably be stuck in that portion of the timeline for a while yet before I get around to doing Avengers. That said, spoilers and timeline hijinks aren't a big deal for him, as long as they don't involve spoilers about specifically what Loki's gonna be up to.

I'm assuming he's from the main MCU universe, and from the same version of it as at least Fury and Darcy and Erik, and others as well unless I know you want to be in a one-step-over AU for that kind of freedom. But I have no problem with surreptitiously diverging AUs from canonmates if at any point it seems useful to do so -- for me or for them, and for actual trousers-of-time canon divergence or just for the OOC freedom to not need to check in too much. I'm easy!

[gammagammahey]

Shulkie and Thor should have a drinking contest. In comic canon they hang out on occasion and quaff much ale.

[thekidfrombrooklyn]

Steve is pre-Cap 2. It's probably about six months to a year for him prior to the events of the movie. He's just signed up with SHIELD and is getting ready to leave New York for DC.

Steve does have his own, Milliways-influenced timeline. If people want to play in that 'verse, great; if not, I'm good with one-step-over AUs too.

[howdoyoufeel]

After having spoken with Alex on the matter, Peggy is from the same point in time as Howard. She's quite content to be in charge of things and although she's not necessarily supposed to be in the field, I can see her early on still going out in the field. It's just in her nature.

As for Fitz, attached_to_his_pinky, he is indeed from the same timeline as Simmons as I feel that would be quite awkward to have them both from different times. Not that they couldn't work through it, I just would rather see them continue through Millicanon or what have you together.

[fosterscience]

Late to the party, as usual.

Jane has been stuck during the events of Thor for the gods know how long, but she'll be coming in post movie fairly soon. I have no problem with future spoilers up to Thor 2 and Cap2 (haven't seen the latter yet, but I do watch AoS).

Totally late to the party but Shulkie and Siryn are here

[gammagammahey]

Totally late to the party but She-Hulk is here and being played as close to her current comic canon as possible. By the way she'd love to bump into Natasha and Bucky.

Siryn is being played close to her current comic canon except that she didn't get pregnant with Jamie Madrox's baby. I'm ignoring that Jamie-absorbed-mah-baybee nonsense.